"Biden akaita kunyengera kukuru kwechikonzero cheVenezuela"

David alandeteTORA

Wekutanga kukwidza izwi muWashington achipokana nekutangwazve kwekutaurirana kwakananga pakati peWhite House naNicolás Maduro aive uye Republican Senator Marco Rubio (Miami, 1970). Akatarisana nekuvanzika kwemutungamiri weUS, iyo yakatumira nhumwa ichitungamirwa naJuan González, chipangamazano chaJoe Biden cheLatin America, kuCaracas, Rubio akaona kuti kutaurirana zvirango pamusoro peVenezuelan crude naChavismo kwaireva kupa Maduro oxygen uye kukanganisa vanopikisa, kune avo. haana kuziviswa zvakananga Washington nezverwendo. Ikozvino White House inoramba ichiti chimwe chezvikonzero chikuru cherwendo urwu kwaive kusunungura vasungwa vaviri vekuUS muVenezuela, uye kwete kungotaurirana zvirango pamafuta. Muhurukuro neboka diki revatapi venhau, Senator Rubio akataura neChitatu muWashington kuti dambudziko riri muRussia ragadzira, akakumbira ruregerero kuchikwata cheBiden nezve nzira kuna Maduro yaakaronga kunze kwenguva.

Ko Venezuelan isina kuchena inogona kukumbira embargo yeRussia?

Zviripachena kuti pane kushushikana kwakawanda padivi pangu, pakave nekuramba kwakawanda kwakavanzika nehutungamiri hweBiden kuti vaswedere pedyo naMaduro. Hazvinei zvachose nemafuta. Pataitenga oiri yekuRussia kunze kwenyika, yaisvika madhiramu 200.000 100 pazuva. Pakazara, izvo Venezuela zvino inoburitsa kunze kwenyika, iyo yatova 700.000% yakatengwa, ndeye XNUMX dhiramu pazuva, uye kuwedzera kukuru pane zvavaimboita kare, asi havasati vatomboswedera kune mamiriyoni matatu avakanga vachiita. makore mashoma apfuura.makore nekuda kwezvikonzero zvakasiyana-siyana zvaunonyatsoziva, nekuti indasitiri yemafuta yeVenezuela ine huori, inofambiswa nevanhu vasingakwanisi, sezvo mainjiniya ese uye vanhu vanoziva nezve indasitiri iyi vabva munyika. Ivo havana kugona kukanganisa mutengo wemafuta asina kuchena muno muUS.

Ndedzipi mhedzisiro inogona kuva nevanobatika ava, mukuona kwako?

Ndinotenda kuti kana vasvika kune imwe mhando yekubvumirana naMaduro vanozopa mhosva vanhu veVenezuela kuchizvarwa kana kupfuura pasi peMarxist narco-udzvanyiriri, zvinosuruvarisa. Ndine urombo, asi ndicho chikonzero nei ivo [hurumende yeChavista] vaida kuti Biden akunde musarudzo, nekuti vaiziva kuti nekufamba kwenguva vaizokwanisa kuita chinhu chakadai.

Wakamboudzwa here izvo Biden akapa Maduro pamusangano wakaitika kuCaracas?

Muchikamu ichi chakavanzika, US yakakumbira Maduro kuti ave nechokwadi chekuti aizotitengesa chikamu chemafuta avari kugadzira. Vaizobvumirana kuzivisa zuva rekudzokera kunhaurirano, sezvo Maduro asina dambudziko rekutaurirana nokuti akashandisa nhaurirano kwemakore kutenga nguva uye kuparadzanisa vanopikisa. Uye kusunungura vamwe vanhu vakasungwa zvisina kufanira muVenezuela. Uye kana akaita zvinhu izvozvo, vanomupa kusimudzwa kwezvirango zvinopesana neindasitiri yemafuta yeVenezuela, pamwe zvakanyanya. Ndiro raive zano repachivande ravakaita kwaari vasina kurongedzera mberi nehurumende yeGuaidó. Pakupedzisira, mumaonero angu, uku kupandukira kukuru kwechikonzero cherusununguko muVenezuela. Uye kana zvikaitwa, mubairo mukuru kune hudzvinyiriri hunoramba huchiswedera pedyo neIran, iyo haisi kuzosiya mubatanidzwa wayo neRussia uye icharamba ichitsigira zvese izvi matsotsi zvinhu zviri kukanganisa mamiriro mukati meColombia.

Iwe unofunga here kuti idzi mbiri dzekudyidzana dzinopfuura zvirango zvemafuta?

Aya mabatiro anotenderwa nevanhu vari muWhite House vanopikisa zvirango [paVenezuela], uye vaona mukana. Ivo zvino vane chikonzero ichi neRussia, dambudziko remafuta rinopa chikonzero chekusangana uku. Vari kuzoti izvi ndezvekuunza mamwe mafuta kumusika. Asi nhamba ndozvavari. Kuti Venezuela ikwanise kugadzira oiri inodiwa kuti iite zvakadaro pamitengo yenyika uye kunyanya pamusika weNorth America, zvichatora makore nemakore uye mamirioni emadhora ekudyara. Iyi indasitiri yakave yenyika uye muchidimbu, inoda nhevedzano yemidziyo mitsva, mari inongotora makore nemakore nemakore kuti ibudirire. Asi mukana wekumukira kwaizove kwekukurumidza kuhondo yeMaduro, kungave kukunda kukuru. Uye pamusoro pazvo, kungava kurova kwakanyanya uye kunoparadza kune vanopikisa.

Iwe unofunga kuti kusangana naMaduro uku kune nharaunda yepasirese?

Fungidzira nyika idzi idzo hurumende iyi yakabvunza nekushandira kuti ibatane mukuziva Guaidó uye kwete hurumende isiri pamutemo yeMaduro. Inotumira meseji kunharaunda dzepasirese kuti US inewe kudzamara yave kudikanwa, kudzamara mamiriro achinja, kuti hutongi husina kusimba. Nyika dzese idzi dzinoziva kuti kunyangwe mafuta eVenezuela asingakwanise kuvhara chero chinhu, hazvisi kuzokanganisa mutengo wemafuta muUS izvozvi kana gore rinouya kana gore rinotevera. Vanozviona sekuedza kwehurumende isina simba kuti vaswedere pedyo nehutongi hwakakanganisa zvakanyanya. Fungidzira kuti Colombia inonzwa sei, ichiziva kuti kune masimba ari kuedza kukanganisa nyika, ari kushanda pachena kubva munharaunda yeVenezuela, nerutsigiro rwehurumende yeVenezuela.

Ndiani anoita sarudzo iyi yekutaura naMaduro?

Izvi ndezvevanhu vari mukati mehurumende iyi vanga vachidawo kuswedera pedyo neCuba neVenezuela, uye vakaona uyu semukana wekuita uye vakatarisira kuti vachakwanisa kuvhara zvimwe zvose nenyaya yemafuta. Uye hatingarege izvozvo zvichibuda mumutsara nekuti inhema dzakakwana. Ichi chingori chikonzero chekuita zvavaida kuita kubva pazuva rekutanga.

Izvi zvinoratidza here kuti panogona kunge paine shanduko kuCuba?

Avo vakakurudzira kudyidzana naMaduro ndivo vamwechete vanogadzira gwara raVaObama rekuCuba. Semuenzaniso, rangarira mushure mekuratidzira muCuba gore rapfuura, zvakatora nguva yakareba sei kuti hurumende itaure, uye kuti vanga vachipokana sei mukupindura. Hapana anogona kufuratira kuti mukati meDemocratic Party mune manzwi ese anotsigira kuwirirana neCuba uye pamwe izvo zvakaomesa kuratidzira gore rapfuura. Asi tinofanira kunyatsojekesa kuti kana mukana ukamuka wekuchinja mutemo weCuba, vanhu ava vari kupokana negweta pamusoro pazvo, takazviona izvozvi nenyaya yeVenezuela.

Iwe unofunga here kuti José Borrell, mukuru weEuropean policy policy, akafambisa rudzi urwu rwekuwirirana nechinzvimbo chake kuna Maduro?

Zvakanaka, ndinofunga kuti Borrell anga ari munzvimbo iyoyo kubva pakutanga uye ndiye akatadzisa dzimwe nyika dzeEurope kutora chikamu mukuedza kurwisa Maduro, asi handifunge kuti zvakakanganisa mune iyi nyaya. .

Chipangamazano chaPresident Biden kuLatin America, Juan González, akaenda kuCaracas. Munofunga kuti pane kupatsanurwa here pakati pehutungamiriri nediplomacy pakushanya uku?

Zvakanaka, muvamiriri ivavo mune mumiriri weUS kuVenezuela, James Story, anoshanda muDhipatimendi reHurumende. Ndinofunga kuti agara achinzwa rwiyo urwu zvakanaka, asi ndinofungidzira kuti kana vakatumira ikoko, inofanira kuenda. Apo gadziriro yavakaita neCuba yakaitwa, gadziriro iyoyo haina kuitwa na[mumiriri mukuru panguva iyoyo] John Kerry paDhipatimendi reHurumende, yakabatwa neNational Security Council. Rangarira kuti Dhipatimendi reHurumende riri muchivako, asi National Security Council iri mukati meWhite House, irimo muMutungamiriri uye yagara ichiedzwa kuita nenzira yakadaro, kunyanya muzvakavanzika seizvi. Saka handizivi kana pane musiyano mukati State Department kana kwete, asi pakupera kwezuva vakabvumira rwendo uye vakabvumira kuita ichi kupa Maduro. Saka, muchidimbu, mhosva ngaive pamutungamiri wenyika, anova ndiye anozotora sarudzo panyaya dzakadai.

Kusvika pari zvino, zvirango zveVenezuela zvakawanei?

Ichokwadi kuti mamiriro ezvinhu muVenezuela akaipa nhasi kupfuura zvazvaiva makore maviri kana matatu apfuura, asi izvozvo hazvifaniri kupiwa mubayiro. Handisati ndamboti zvirango izvi zviri kuda kupidigura Hurumende, asi ndinoti ngazvirege kupihwa mubairo nekuvandudza mukana wekubira mari yakawanda. Nokuti vanenge voshandisa mari iyoyo pazvinhu zviviri; nhamba imwe kuveza avo vakakomberedza Maduro, vari kumudzivirira uye kumuchengeta musimba, uye nhamba mbiri nokuda mashandiro kuti destabilize Colombia, kupindira musarudzo muBrazil uye kunyange zvichida musarudzo US, kana kutenga zvombo kubva Iran.

Ko kusangana uku kunobata sei vanopikisa Chavismo?

Zvakanaka, kupikisa chete kuchave kusina simba, asiwo avo vose vari pasi pehurumende iyo vangave vakafunga pane imwe nguva mune ramangwana kuti vaite shanduko, nokuti Maduro akanga asingazivi nzira yekubuda mumamiriro ezvinhu aya. Izvi zvichamusimbisa mukati manje. Maduro akakomberedzwa nevanhu vasingatendi kuti ari nani, vasina chero rudzi rwekuvimbika kwaari pamunhu. Kungori vanhu avo vakakomberedza Maduro vanofunga kuti panguva ino ivo vari nani naMaduro, uye panguva ino kuti, nekuda kwezvirango kana chero, vanochinja pfungwa dzavo, Maduro haachazovepo semukuru wehurumende iyoyo. Asi kana Maduro ari iye anokwanisa kugadzirisa zvese izvi, mukati chero mukana wekuchinja unopera.

Paita chikanganiso here mukupikisa kwaChavismo izvo zvakakonzera shanduko iyi mumutungamiri weAmerica?

Tarisa, handifi ndakatsoropodza Juan Guaidó. Kutanga, nekuti ari mukati menyika uye akagara mukati menyika paakawana mukana wekuisiya uye akatambura zvakanyanya pamunhu, nguva dzose, achitambudzwa, nehupenyu hwake munjodzi. Akanga ari purezidhendi weNational Assembly, panguva iyo pakanga pane nzvimbo panzvimbo yemutungamiri, nokuti kusarudzwa kwaMaduro kwakanga kusina pamutemo uye pasi peBumbiro reVenezuela ndiye munhu aifanira kuzivikanwa. Yaiva Bumbiro remitemo, tisiri isu. Hazvisi nyore kuita zvauri kuita. Akanga asina mari, haana mapurisa, uye achiripo. Asi pakupedzisira, tsigiro yedu haisi yake chete, ndeyevanhu veVenezuela. Zvandagara ndichida kuVenezuela ndezvekuti vane sarudzo dzegutsaruzhinji uye kuti veVenezuela vanosarudza hurumende yavo uye zvavanoda. Uye ndizvo izvo Maduro anoramba achiramba.