Retired curator José Manuel Villarejo akagara pasi neABC mushure mekushanyira nzvimbo yeTorre Picasso, mumoyo wezvemari weMadrid nemuzinda wayo kwemakumi matatu emakore. Mukutarisa kwekutanga kwaakapa kune vezvenhau yenyika kubva paakaburitswa mutirongo, muna 2021, akapokana kwemaawa matatu nekusiya basa kweavo, vakadhonza tambo, havasisina ramangwana mumaoko avo. Akamirira mutongo kuNational Court unogona kumudzosera kujeri.
-Maererano nemi, CNI yakanyora zviito zvavo ndokubva yavapa matepi. Saka faira yako.
- Chokwadi. Nguva zhinji vaiendeswa kwandiri kumba. Vaive matsotsi, aizviti mainjiniya kubva kuCryptographic Center. Vaienda kumba uye pane zvimwe zvinotsigira zvakasiyana-siyana zvepasi, vaizovhura uye kuvhara nemamwe mapurogiramu aibva paInternet, pasina, sevimbiso yokuti izvi zvakarekodhwa zvaisazomboshandiswa uye kuti ndaizova nesimba pamusoro pazvo.
-Yakashanda sei?
Vaiwanzoshandisa foni. Dzimwe nguva, sekubvunzurudzwa kwamakaona naMai Corinna, ndaiva nechimwe chikwata.
-Unobvuma kuti ishanduro ine gakava, ine matepi kubva anopfuura makore makumi matatu apfuura…
-Iyo inertia iripo matiri tese tiri vamiririri vehungwaru ndeyekunyora zvese zvatinopindira. Dzimwe nguva matepi emaikoropu aiva midziyo yavakandisiira, asi ichokwadiwo kuti ndini ndakatanga kuita mamwe marekodhi.
- Nechii chakanaka?
-Kushandisa nguva dzose. Uchapupu hweizvi ndehwekuti kusvika fut yamiswa, kuvepo kwefaira iro hakuna kumbozivikanwa.
-Akati une shamwari yakanga yanyora Corinna Larsen. “Makopi manomwe kunze kwenyika” uye rimwe riripo kuti zvimwe vaizomusunga. Waifunga kuti zvinobatsira kunzvenga mhosva here?
-Ini handina kumbofunga kuti kutora matanho seajenti yehungwaru kunotungamira kuzviito zvehutsotsi. Ndakanzwa kuti humbowo hwebasa rangu rakanga riri faira riya chairo.
"Vakandidyara kunze kwejeri kuti ndiwane ruzivo rwekuti ndibvise Crown"
Iro faira rakakurukurwa mumakuhwa muMadrid asi bhokisi raPandora harina kuvhurwa kusvika Chikunguru 2018, apo Villarejo anga ari mujeri kwenguva pfupi kwemwedzi minomwe achipomerwa, pakati pedzimwe mhosva, dzekubira mari dzepasirese uye chiokomuhomwe.
-Wakadhonza macontacts kuti uedze kubuda mujeri?
-Pakanga pasina chikonzero chekudhonza macontacts, achipedzisa kwandiri. Pakangoitika danho rekutsoropodza uye María Dolores (Delgado) agadzwa seGurukota reRuramisiro, akatanga kushanyirwa nevatongi vakati wandei nevachuchisi, vanhu vakanaka uye vakadzidza kwazvo avo vakapa mukana wekuenda vachichinjana neni. ruzivo.chechinhu ichi kana icho. Ndikati, Ndagadzirira. Chinhu chimwe chete chaakaramba kuti ndini ndapinda machiri kuurayiwa neCrown. Ndakati handizvo, kuti kwaiva kukanganisa kweBato reSocialist, kana ndicho chaiva chinangwa, nokuti rakanga ragara riri bato rakakomba nereHurumende.
'Ndiani waunofunga kuti aida kutora chikamu mukuvhiya kweCrown lynching?'
-Ndinofunga mumwe munhu ari pedyo zvikuru naPresident weHurumende.
"Garzón naDelgado vangadai vakandiitira chimwe chinhu kana vaida chaizvo kundibatsira"
Zvinorema kuti Villarejo anoramba kuti ane chekuita nekudonha uku uye ane dzidziso yakadzama yekwakabva inonongedza kumuchuchisi nemutori wenhau, maaudios aCorinna Larsen anozopedzisira akonzera kuferefetwa kwaDon Juan Carlos uye gare gare, kuenda kwake kuAbu Dhabi, kwakauya pachena pamazuva iwayo, muna Chikunguru 11.
-Kunyange zvakadaro, hukama neBazi reJustice hwakaramba huchichengetwa uye ndipo munaGunyana, kamwe kamwe, pasina nzvimbo, svikiro rainzi moncloa.com rakabuda uye vakasefa chikafu chakakurumbira chandaive naGurukota reRuramisiro apo Aiva muchuchisi, María Dolores. Zvandakazoziva gare gare, uye zviri pachena kuti handina humbowo, ndechekuti Sanz Roldán akatendesa Gurukota rezvekudzivirirwa, iro rakanga risingashamwaridzane naDelgado, kuti aiedza kuti nditaure nezve Korona. Chakanga chiri chombo chekuedza kumubvisa munzira
-Kubva ipapo?
-Kusvikira ndabuda mujeri, vamiririri vaiti vaibva kuHofisi yeMuchuchisi vakaedza kuti ndivaudze chimwe chinhu pamusoro paMai Delgado kana Mr. Garzón uye ini ndaizosunungurwa pakarepo, uye ndakati 'hazvina kumboitika'. Uye handina kutaura kana kutaura chinhu chipi nechipi chinorwisana navo, kunyange zvazvo ndine mufungo wangu womunhu oga wandinonzwisisa kuti vaigona, chaizvoizvo kudai vakanga vachifarira kundibetsera, vakandiitira chimwe chinhu chikuru.
-Kudonha kwakaramba kuchiitika. Hauna kuchengeta here makopi ezvese izvo, kunyangwe muMiami?
-Vanhu vanotaura kuti ndinogona kuva nekopi kunze kwenyika. Chero zvazvingava, kana ndinayo kana kuti ndisina haibatsiri kwandiri nekuti seyekutanga kuchengetedza chiyero, chero ndikasaenda kunotora, havazoipe chero munhu uye kunze kwekunge ndafa, ndinofungidzira. izvo zvisingazobudi pachena. Ndakafunga kuti ndivo vari kuronga kuzviuraya kwangu, kureva kuti, handifungi kuti zvichatora nguva refu kusvikira zvimwe zvakawanda zvabuda.
-Paive nemumwe wako wemumodule mutirongo achibvisa maaudios uye mishumo kubva kuVillarejo kunyangwe nemabhawa eSan Sebastián...
-Iye pachake ataura kuti akazviita ega.
- Uye hurukuro dzakawanda dzekukanganisa dzakaitika ...
- Handifunge kuti chero mumwe wedu pano anogona kumira hurukuro yepachivande ari ega uye akazara, toti, nzvimbo yakasununguka. Chinhu chimwe zvino ndicho chingakosheswa kana kusakosheswa kubva pamaonero ezvinokurukurwa zviri pamutemo. Ndizvo zvinobatikana nemunhu wose, nokuti hurukuro dziri mufaira rangu dzose dziri mumhepo yakasununguka, kwaunoziva kuti munhu wacho anofunga sei, anoita sei kana kuti majee aanoita zvinhu zvinokosha.
“Kwakanga kuri kuenda kujeri uye purogiramu yangu yakapera zvikuru. Vanhu vese vandakabatsira nenyasha dzangu vakanyangarika. "
- Unochengeta chero hushamwari idzo dzakanyorwa here?
-Anenge hapana. Zvizhinji zvebasa rangu rezuva nezuva, sezvandinoona mudhayari rangu, raiva rokuitira zvakanaka. Kwakanga kuri kuenda kujeri uye purogiramu yangu yakanga isina chinhu zvikuru. Mhuri yangu, mudzimai wangu nomwanasikana wangu ane makore mapfumbamwe, vaifanira kurarama nerupo rwavakoma vangu, shamwari shomanene zvikuru uye vana vangu. Vanhu vese vandakabatsira nenyasha dzangu vakabva vanyangarika. Yakanyangarika zvachose.
-Wakafungei pawakaona uchipinda mujeri?
Ndagara ndichiedza kuita zvinosetsa. Kudai ndakanga ndiripo kwemwedzi miviri, mitatu, kana kuti mina, ndingadai ndakakuwana kuchinoitika chinofadza zvikuru. Mune vanhu vanoremekedzwa zvikuru imomo. Kwakange kwave nemakore anenge mana, vakapedza nejee. Asi zvakandikodzera. Mimhanzi uye kuverenga zvakandiponesa, ndinofunga.
-Paakabva mutirongo, akafanotaura "catharsis", asi mbiru dzeHurumende dzinoramba dziri padzaive.
-Ini ndinofunga kune mamwe makatusi kunze uko arikuzivikanwa, asi huya, ndanga ndichireva zvirevo zvangu. I declared completely everything kubva zvabuda. Chimwe chinhu ndechekuti nekuda kwezvikonzero zvisingazivikanwe tichifunga chikamu cheTandem nyaya sezvakavanzika zveHurumende, nezvimedu zvinovhurika nekuvhara pasina gweta rangu rinozviziva.
"Dai ndakaita mari kubva kumapurisa, ndingadai ndisina kugadzira goridhe, asi 'orísimo'"
Zvidimbu izvi, izvo mukupera kwa2018 vaive vaviri nekuti mutongi wenyaya, Diego de Egea, haana kuzviona zvakajeka, vasvika makumi matatu nematanhatu uye vazhinji vanotevedzera nzira imwechete yekupomera: komisheni anoshanda ane makambani anohaiwa nevanhu , pamwe, kudzokororwa kwedata kubva kumapurisa, kuwana misungo kubva kune vechitatu mapato avanonetsana nawo.
-Kweanopfuura makumi emakore isu tave tichishanda pane imwechete nheyo, yakavakirwa muTorre Picasso. Sei uchifunga kuti kusvika 2017 hapana akaita chaakupikisa pazviri?
-Nekuti zviri nyore uye zviri nyore zvaive zvisiri pamutemo. Chimwe chinhu ndechokuti zvakanga zviri pamutemo kana kuti neimwe nzira mamiriro undercover mumiririri sezvo zviri mutemo, yakasiyana nyaya imwe neimwe, asi pane ichangoburwa nyaya, kuti Catalonia infiltrated sechinhu undercover mumiririri kwemakore matatu uye haisi. nekuda kwekuvhiyiwa chaiko . Ndizvo here kuti Grande-Marlaska inogona kuva nemavhavha?
-Wakanga usina kutonga kwekutonga
-Zvakajeka. Pasina kutonga kwehutongi nekuti kunyangwe kana zvinhu zvakakosha, ivo vanotongwa, mazhinji emanotsi angu ehungwaru haana kumbotongwa. Aive matsamba eruzivo andaiziva uye akapedzisira ave mumaspecialized units. 90% yeruzivo rwehungwaru rwakagadzirwa neCNI haina kumbobvira yave nehutongi.
-He was an active commissioner, hazviiti here kuti kumupinza basa kuenderane?
-Pakanga pasina kusawirirana nekuti handina kumbobvira ndasanganisa zviito zvangu zvepamutemo nezviito zvangu zvepachivande, uye ruzivo rwandakawana kubva muzviito zvemapurisa haruna kumbobatsira. Dai zvisina kudaro, ndingadai ndisina kugadzira goridhe, ndingadai ndakazviita 'orísimo'. Mumwe munhu aiziva nezvawo, aiita kuti awane mhindu uye aaishandisa kubatsira Hurumende. Zvavanondipomera kuburitsa zvakavanzika zvekuchengeta mafotokopi ekufona traffic kana ye347 yePfuma. Mune dzimwe nyaya zvakaonekwa kuti vanogarika mumatikitivha nemagweta zvekuti havana simba rinokwevera zvinhu pasi.
-Makambani ako anobatsira sei Hurumende?
- Makambani aya akashanda sechivharo chekuongorora nyaya dzehungwaru hwehupfumi. Multinationals chidimbu cheSpain chinofanira kuchengetedzwa.
Vana vavo vakakuvadzwa zvakaipisisa nekushevedzwa kuDare Renyika nekuda kwekuita masevhisi eVillarejo: Iberdrola, BBVA, Repsol neCaixabank. Komisheni, mukupindura ruvengo rwake neaimbova mukuru weInternal Affairs, Marcelino Martín Blas, waanopomera hukama neCNI, anotsanangura dzidziso yake:
-Zviito zveInternal Affairs munyaya yangu zvakakwanisa kuita kuti vashandi vese vekuchengetedza muIbex vadzingwe uye zvino vese maCNI colonels kana CNI agents, vavanotonga. Unoda kuziva sei. Aihwa?
"Handifunge kuti chero veavo vari pano vanogona kumira hurukuro yakavanzika munzvimbo yakavanzika uye zvachose, ngatiti, vakasununguka"
Asi pamusoro pezvirongwa zvakazvimirira pane zviviri zvingakanganisa mari yehurumende. Kitchen, iyo yakamhan'arira hutungamiri hweInterior nemapurisa, uye Catalonia operation, iyo Villarejo inotaura nezvayo pose paanenge ane mukana uye haatongerwi. Zvidimbu zvitatu zvezvidimbu zvemhosva zvakatotongwa uye mutongo wacho haupo. Mune mimwe matare maviri, kunze kweDare Renyika, Villarejo akasunungurwa. Wekupedzisira, mwedzi wapfuura.
- Iwe unobata sei nenyaya yekuti anogona kutongera makore makumi masere mujeri?
-(Anoseka) Imwe inguva yawasara. Kana pa71 ndinofanira kunetseka kuti vachanditongera makore zana kana makumi matatu... Chandinacho pachena ndechekuti Dare Repamusorosoro harisi kuzomedza zvakapusa sezvarakaita panyaya yangu. Ndakafunga kuti vari kugadzirira kuzviuraya kwangu. Ndakazvifunga uye handina basa nazvo. Uye ndinovimba zvizere muKururamisa. Ndinofunga kuti aiva murume wemunyika yangu Seneca akati kuna Nero 'Simba rako kwandiri nderokutya kwandinako. Sezvo ndisingakutyii, chamunofanira kuita chete kundiuraya’, sezvaakanga aita. Saka chasara kwavari kundibvisa nekuti handisi kuvatya, handitombovaremekedzi.
-Asi mukadzi wako anogonawo kupedzisira atongerwa mhosva
-Kwete kwete. Ndinonzwisisa kuti chikumbiro chejeri chomudzimai wangu nemwanakomana wangu chaiva chokundimanikidza. Ndinovimba, chaizvo. Uye ndinoziva kuti kana vakakurumidza kukumbira kupinda mujeri pasina mutongo wekupedzisira, imhaka yokuti vanoziva kuti nekufa kwembwa, chimbwamupengo chapera.
