USekela Mphathiswa wasePoland uPawel Jablonski uthetha ngokucacileyo: "Akukho ngxoxo iya kumisa uPutin."
Ucela i-EU kunye namazwe e-NATO ngenkxaso enkulu kwi-Army yase-Ukraine, nangona kwinqanaba lomkhosi ekhetha ukuba le micimbi iphathwe "ngendlela eyingqondi", ngokubhekiselele kumzamo ophazamisekileyo, okwangoku, ukuthumela iMig fighters. -Iipolisi ezingama-29 kumkhosi womoya waseUkraine.
Kangangemizuzu engamashumi amathathu ethetha, ngomnxeba wevidiyo nangeSpanish esigqibeleleyo, kunye no-ABC ovela kwiofisi yakhe eWarsaw:
- Inkulumbuso yasePoland uMateusz Morawiecki kunye nenkokeli yeLaw and Justice Party uJaroslaw Kaczynski batyelele uMongameli waseUkraine uVolodymyr Zelensky eKyiv ngoLwesibini. Zeziphi izigqibo oye wafikelela kuzo kwintlanganiso?
kukuba kufuneka sixhase iUkraine ngakumbi. Ngobunye be-European Union kunye ne-NATO. Kufuneka sandise inkxaso yethu yokuzikhusela. Kufuneka sandise amathuba e-Ukraine ukukhusela ummandla wayo, inkululeko yayo, ukuzimela kwayo. Bakhusela ilizwe labo kwiRashiya, elilizwe elikhulu kakhulu. Benza iinzame zobugorha kwaye luncedo lwethu. Ukongezelela, izigwebo kufuneka zandiswe, kuba izigwebo ezisebenzayo ngoku zinamandla, ewe, kodwa azikwanelanga. Yonke imihla uPutin ufumana amakhulu ezigidi zeeyuro ukuxhasa le mfazwe kwaye kufuneka siyithathe kuye loo mali.
-Luluphi uhlobo loncedo lomkhosi olufanele ukuthunyelwa eUkraine? Sasiya kuba yintoni isicombululo? Kuphinde kwathethwa ngendawo yokungabhabha...
- Okwangoku eyona nto ibalulekileyo kukunyusa konke ukuthunyelwa kwezixhobo ezikhuselayo esizenzayo. Ikwaququzelela ezothutho ... Ngokufutshane, ukunceda umkhosi waseUkraine ekukhuseleni ilizwe labo. I-NATO yimbumba eyomeleleyo, sinokhetho kwaye ngoku kufuneka sithathe isigqibo sokuba sifuna ukwenza ngeyona ndlela iqinisekileyo okanye hayi, kuba iRussia iya kusisongela ukuba senze enye okanye enye… UPutin akadingi sizathu. ukuhlasela naliphi na elinye ilizwe. Wayenza ngoFebruwari 24 ehlasela iUkraine ngendlela engafanelekanga. Ukuba uPutin uphumelele le mfazwe, uya kuhlasela amanye amazwe.
Ngaba iPoland isanikezela ngemikhosi yeMig-29 kumkhosi womoya waseUkraine ngokusebenzisa i-NATO yase-US? Okanye yingcamango elahliweyo?
-Sifuna ukuyenza ngokukhawuleza. Kwaye wenze ezinye izinto ngokukhawuleza. Into endingayifuniyo kukuxoxa esidlangalaleni ngolu hlobo lomcimbi womkhosi kuba kufuneka sisebenze ngempumelelo. Kwakungelishwa ukuba ezi zinto zazithethwa esidlangalaleni kushicilelo oluninzi.
UPawel Jablonski, ngomzuzwana wencoko ngefowuni yevidiyo - ABC
- Ngaba yayiyinkcazo kaJosep Borrell, uMmeli oPhezulu we-EU kwiMicimbi yezangaphandle kunye noMgaqo-nkqubo woKhuseleko, onakalise isicwangciso sokuqala?
Andifuni ukungena kuloo ngxoxo. Ngokubanzi, xa unxibela imicimbi yomkhosi, kwimicimbi yokuzikhusela, kubaluleke kakhulu ukunxiba phakathi koorhulumente, phakathi kwama-alias, ngakumbi kuluntu. Kwaye ngethemba le yindlela yokumbetha ngoku nakwixesha elizayo.
- Ngaba uyathemba iingxoxo phakathi kweRashiya ne-Ukraine ukuze imfazwe iphele ngokukhawuleza kwaye ayiqhubeki ixesha elide?
- Siyazi eRashiya. Bathetha izinto ezininzi kodwa awukwazi ukubathemba. Bathetha into abayifunayo okanye basebenzele ubupolitika. Batsho njani ukuba balilizwe loxolo kwaye akuyi kubakho luhlaselo. Babengafuni kuhlasela mntu. Kwaye ngoFebruwari 24 sabona umphumo. Athetha ukuthini amazwi kaVladimir Putin? Akunjalo. Ukumthemba akukho ngqiqweni. Yintoni ekufuneka yenziwe kukuxhasa i-Ukraine, ekhusela ummandla wayo kodwa ikhusela iYurophu kunye nemilinganiselo yaseYurophu.
“Yonke iYurophu isengozini. Yinto esiyibonayo kwaye siyibhengeze kwiinyanga zamva nje kunye neminyaka »
– Sikubonile ukuqhushumbiswa kweholo yemidlalo yeqonga eMariupol, apho abantwana nabasetyhini babalekela khona… Ngaba kukubalekela phambili kukaPutin?
- andinamagama okuchaza oko uPutin akwenzayo ngoku. Kuyacaca ukuba eyona njongo yakhe yokuqala yayikukufikelela eKyiv nakwezinye izixeko ngokukhawuleza. Elo cebo alibanga nampumelelo. Ngoku balitshintshile iqhinga labo lokubulala abantu abaninzi ngakumbi nangakumbi… abafazi, abantwana. Ngoba? Ufuna i-Ukraine inikezele kwimigudu yayo yokuzikhusela. Ifuna ukutshabalalisa intando yabantu baseUkraine ukuzikhusela. Ukwenza oku bahlasela iindawo zokuhlala, izibhedlele, indawo yemidlalo yeqonga apho abafazi nabantwana babalekela khona. Sisicwangciso saseRashiya, liqhinga laseRashiya kwaye lulwaphulo-mthetho, lulwaphulo-mthetho lwemfazwe. UVladimir Putin ngulwaphulo-mthetho. Kufuneka ohlwaywe ngenxa yolwaphulo-mthetho lwemfazwe.
– IRashiya iphinde yaqhushumbisa isiseko seekhilomitha ezingama-25 ukusuka kumda wePoland… Injani imeko kumda?
– Kufutshane nomda, imeko inzima. Ukwamkelwa kweembacu, ngoku, sele kulungiselelwe ngakumbi. Akukho migca hay kakhulu. Kuphela ngale ntsasa [ngoLwesine wayizolo] sifumene abantu abayi-10.000. Sele iimbacu ezisisi-1,9 sezigidi sele zifikile kwilizwe elitsha. Kukwakho nabemi baseUkraine abafika eRomania, eHungary, eSlovakia benqumla kumda wethu osemazantsi. Ngaphesheya komda sibona ukuba uPutin ugxile ekuhlaseleni iKyiv kunye nezinye iidolophu ezinkulu.
- Ngaba iPoland isengozini? Ngaba ucinga ukuba ukuba uPutin uhlasele i-Ukraine ngokupheleleyo, uya kulandela amanye amazwe?
– IYurophu iphela isengozini. Yinto esiyibonayo nesithe sayibhengeza kwiinyanga nakwiminyaka yakutshanje. Yonke iYurophu isoyikiswa. Olu lungquzulwano olwafika eGeorgia ngo-2008. Emva koko iUkraine… emva koko iya kuba ngamazwe aseBaltic (Lithuania, Latvia kunye ne-Estonia) kunye nePoland. UPutin akayi kumisa ukuba asibanqandi. Isibophelelo sethu kukummisa ngoku, xa sinokhetho, xa sinamandla. Kuyimbopheleleko yethu ukuyeka le mfazwe kwaye siyeke uPutin.
-Ukhuseleko lwasePoland luqiniswa njani?
– Sisebenza nzima kakhulu. Iinzame zethu zenziwe ukomeleza umkhosi wethu, kwakhona sisebenzisana namahlakani ethu, kunye ne-NATO. Kwakhona kunye ne-USA kunye namazwe aseYurophu. Sinamajoni amaninzi avela kumazwe ethu kumhlaba wethu kunye nezixhobo ezikhuselayo zokukhusela indawo yethu kunye nokukhusela umda we-European Union kunye ne-NATO. Kuluxanduva lwethu njengamalungu ale mibutho ukuba sikwazi ukukhusela iYurophu.
Ababaleki base-Ukraine bakwazi ukufikelela kumda wasePoland eMedyka ukuqokelela iimpahla ezinokubanceda - i-AFP
-Ulindele ntoni kwiNgqungquthela ye-NATO engaqhelekanga eya kwenzeka ngoLwesine ozayo eBrussels? Kwaye kwiBhunga laseYurophu?
-Ingqungquthela ye-NATO ixoxa ngendlela yokunyusa amandla okuzikhusela e-Ukraine. Ngokumalunga neManyano yaseYurophu, eyona nto ibalulekileyo ngoku kukwandisa izohlwayo, ukubeka i-embargo kwi-oyile yaseRashiya, igesi yaseRashiya kunye nezinye ii-hydrocarbons ... zingumthombo wemali kaPutin, umthombo ovumela ukuba axhase le mfazwe. Ukuba sifuna ukugcina uqoqosho lwethu, kufuneka senze ngokugqibeleleyo ngoku, sinyuse ezo zenzo, kwaye siphelise le mfazwe. Kufuneka sinyanzelise uPutin ukuba ayeke imfazwe.
"Abantu baseMpuma baseUkraine bazikhusela ngamandla, benesazisi sesizwe saseUkraine kuba lilizwe elahluke ngokupheleleyo kwinto iRussia efuna ukuyiveza"
- Ngaba ucinga ukuba i-Ukraine kufuneka ilahle ingcamango yokukwazi ukuba lilungu le-European Union okanye i-NATO okanye imibutho yomibini ngaxeshanye? Okanye ngaba ufanele uyeke nayiphi na ingcamango enxulumene nayo?
-Kulilungelo lelizwe laseUkraine, labantu baseUkraine, ukuba bathathe isigqibo ngekamva labo. Ukuba iUkraine ifuna ukuba lilungu le-NATO okanye i-European Union… sisigqibo sakho kuphela. Ayisosigqibo sePoland, iSpain, okanye iRashiya, okanye nabani na ongomnye. Sisigqibo saseUkraine. Kwaye lowo ngumba osisiseko kubudlelwane bamazwe ngamazwe. Singamazwe azimeleyo, singamazwe alinganayo, sinelungelo lokuzenzela izigqibo ngokwethu ngekamva lethu.
-Ngaba ucinga ukuba isisombululo sinokwahlulwa eUkraine? Inxalenye esempuma yeRashiya nenxalenye esentshona yeUkraine?
Leyo yayiyingxelo yobuxoki ngokupheleleyo yepropaganda yaseRussia eyayifuna ukwenza ukuba kubonakale ngathi kukho izizwe ezimbini kwilizwe laseUkraine. Kwakuyiqhinga likaPutin. Nangona kunjalo, imfazwe isibonisile kwezi veki zintathu zidlulileyo ukuba oku bubuxoki: abantu base-Ukrainian empuma nabo bazikhusela ngamandla, kunye nesazisi sesizwe sase-Ukraine kuba lilizwe elahluke ngokupheleleyo kwinto iRashiya efuna ukuyiveza. I-Ukraine imanyene, i-Ukraine iyazikhusela kwiRashiya kwaye kuyimbopheleleko yethu ukuyixhasa, kunye norhulumente weZelensky ukuphumelela le mfazwe iRashiya iye yaxhokonxa ngokungafanelekanga.
