Uyavuma ukuba ukungafani kwakhe nomgqatswa wePP "umntu" ngenxa "yokungathembeki" ekubizeni unyulo lwangaphambili, oluchaza "njengobudenge obukhulu" olwenziwa ngabantu abadumileyo ngenxa yokuba "balahlekelwa ithemba" lokuba le nto ikhona eSpain. . "Enye indlela yesanchismo engahambi ngeVox".
"Ewe, ke... Ndiphinde ndanomnye umkhuhlane."
— Ndingomnye nje ummi… Andinayo inzuzo okanye ilahleko ngakumbi kule meko. Ndiyathemba ukuba abantu bavotela into esiyithethayo nesinikezelayo, hayi into esiyichithayo.
abathetha inyaniso njengoko usitsho imihla ngemihla. Ukukholelwa ekubeni inawo akusosono esikhulu?
—(Ehleka) Inkanuko? Ukubawa?
"Mhlawumbi ikratshi ...
“Asinakutyhala. Abantu abasabakholelwa abezopolitiko. Uhlala umboniso osisigxina kwaye sifuna ukukuxelela ukuba kunokwenziwa ngenye indlela.
Ngaba wakha waxoka?
-Ibingumsebenzi wam kule minyaka ukuthetha izinto ngendlela yokuba abantu baqonde kwaye banike imvakalelo yorhulumente ozinzileyo, owomeleleyo nozolileyo ongazange abangele inkxalabo engaphezulu kunoluntu olusele lunalo. Kodwa asikokuxoka oko.
— Elinye iqhinga abalisebenzisayo ukuze bafumane ivoti lulawulo olululo abalwenzileyo kwizikhundla zabo kurhulumente womdibaniso. Ngaba abacebisi bePP bangenza into elungileyo?
“Andiqondi ukuba ukhona umntu okhe wandiva ndithetha into embi ngomcebisi wePP omnye. Ayikokuba ndithetha kakubi ngomongameli, koko ndixela kuphela okwenzekayo. Kodwa sasinobudlelwane obuhle kakhulu namanye amalungu karhulumente. Babenexesha elinzima kakhulu kwesi sihogo yaye ndinoxabiso lobuqu ngabo.
—Kodwa usenomsindo ku-Alfonso Fernández Mañueco njengoko mhla wabhengeza ikhwelo lonyulo xa uthetha ngalo phantse ngentiyo nomsindo, esinye isono esibulalayo.
—(Uphazamisa). Andimcaphukeli kuba andinabudlelwane naye. Ukuze uthiye umntu, umele ukuba uyamthanda. Indenza buhlungu kakhulu le nto yenzekileyo emva koko ndicaphuke okanye ndicaphuke, yibize le nto uyifunayo, impatho enyanyekayo ebantwini abaziphethe ngobugorha kwaye ngoku benza oku kumdla wabo wokulamba.
"Ngaba ugcina ilungelo lokuvala utyalo-mali lwaseMañueco, kodwa kubonakala ngathi ukhulule iTudanca kule 'sohlwayo'?"
“Into endihlala ndiyithetha kukuba uTudanca uye wavala umlomo xa wayesenza isindululo sokugxeka umgaqo-nkqubo wethu. Andikwazi ukudibana nomntu ophika zonke iipolitiki zam. Ayiyongxaki yobuqu ngeTudanca. Lo ngumahluko kwimeko yeMañueco. Ukuba bayatshintsha ngoku… Ewe, nabani na obeka obona bunzima bukhulu esikalini.
- Ngamanye amazwi, ukuba umviwa othandwayo uyayeka njengomongameli, ngaba uya kuxhasa iPP ngokuchasene ne-PSOE ukuba inobunzima obufunekayo?
—Ewe, kuba abezopolitiko bethu basondelelene. Singumbutho okhululekileyo oneziphakamiso ekulula ukuba sifumane ezinye kunabanye, nangona kunyanisiwe ukuba kukho izinto esingabelani ngazo nePP. Okwangoku, i-PSOE iye yachasa ngokucacileyo into esiyicebisayo kwaye wonke umntu uyazi ukuba ndicinga kakubi kangakanani nge-sanchismo. Kuyinyani ukuba okokuqala siphawula kweli phulo ukuba ukunganyaniseki akunakuvuzwa kwaye abemi banethuba lokubonisa, nangona kuya kubakho abantu abaza kuvotela iMañueco kwaye bamkele ubuxoki njengento enhle.
"Kodwa ucinga ukuba kusengqiqweni kwaye kuyenzeka ukuba umntu arhoxe kuba umfuna nje?"
"Ndiyayicinga ngokugqibeleleyo." Ucinga ukuba iqela lakho liya konwaba kakhulu xa libona ukuba uphumile ekubeni nesininzi esizinzileyo kunye neqela elikhululekileyo ukuya ekubeni nezihlalo ezifanayo kwaye ulungelelanise lo mbhodamo? Le yenye yezona zinto zisisidenge endakha ndazibona iPP izenza, kwaye andiqondi ukuba bonwabe kakhulu ngendlela izinto ezihamba ngayo.
– Into engandithinteliyo kukuba uthi basondele ekubeni neqela lepalamente -5% yeevoti kunye nezihlalo ezithathu- kwaye ucinga ukuba bangaba ngundoqo.
“Sisendleleni yokuba nabatshutshisi abahlanu nangaphezulu kwaye siza kuthatha isigqibo sokungena kurhulumente wexesha elizayo.
—Yintoni enokuthi ishiywe ngasekhohlo, itheko lasekhaya, iiLeonists…?
— Kusenokubakho izixa ezizintlobo ngeentlobo kunye neemeko. Akukho mntu kulo luntu othandabuzayo ukuba ingaba yintoni umphumo wonyulo ukuba senze uluhlu olufanayo kunye nePP.
"Inokuba yintoni leyo?"
- Uninzi olupheleleyo kunye nezihlalo ezingama-50. Isicwangciso se-PP, esiyintlekele, siyakwazi ukufikelela kwisivumelwano kuphela kunye neVox, ukuyeka ithemba kunye nenkohliso yokukholisa iSpanishi ukuba kukho ithuba lobuninzi borhulumente ngaphandle kokugqithisa okanye i-populism. Into eyenziwa yiCasado ngesi sibongozo ayisebenzisi nje olu luntu ngendlela engafanelekanga, kodwa ibulala ithemba lokuba kukho enye indlela yesanchismo engayi kwiVox kwaye iyabulala eli lizwe.
Ubukwisantya esingafanelekanga iminyaka embalwa. Ngaba le iya kuba yinkonzo yokugqibela kunikelwe kwezopolitiko ukuba izinto azihambi kakuhle?
-Hayi. Into endiyidingayo nempilo yam kukuqhubeka nokulwela izimvo zam. Kweli phulo linzima nelintsokothileyo ndonwabe kakhulu kunakuqala. Ukwenza into elungileyo, kungakhathaliseki ukuba kwenzeka njani na, kuluvuyo.
"Kwaye ngaba uziva ngathi lithemba lokugqibela ngoku lokugcina ii-C zinganyamalali?"
—IiCiudadanos aziyi kuphela okanye zinyamalale. Akukho mntu ubeke unyawo emhlabeni ukuze ahlale kwindawo apho okulungileyo, okubi okanye rhoqo kuthi. Yindawo epholileyo ekholelwa kunyango, ayikho nakweyiphi na imisele, kodwa ikwayindawo ephoxekileyo kakhulu kuba bayakudubula, bayakuthuka kwaye bobabini bazivumele ubunewunewu ukuba bakugxothe kwinethiwekhi nakwimithombo yeendaba.
