"Vagari havazoperi kunyangwe vakarovana"

Anobvuma kuti misiyano yake nemumiriri wePP ndeye "pachedu" nekuda kwe "kusavimbika" kwake mukudaidza sarudzo dzekutanga, dzaanotsanangura se "hupenzi hukuru" hwakaitwa neruzhinji nekuti "vari kurasa tariro" kuti izvi zviripo kuSpain. . "imwe nzira kune sanchismo isingapfuuri neVox".

"Zvakanaka, ... Ndakanzwa imwe dzihwa."

- Ini ndingori mumwe mugari… Ini handina kuwana kana kurasikirwa kubva mumamiriro ezvinhu aya. Ndinovimba vanhu vanovhotera zvatinotaura nekupa, kwete zvatinoshandisa.

vanotaura chokwadi sezvaunotaura zuva nezuva. Kutenda munacho hachisi chivi chikuru here?

—(Anoseka) Ruchiva? Makaro?

"Pamwe kuzvikudza ...

“Hatisi vanomanikidzira. Vanhu havachatendi vezvematongerwo enyika. Iwe uri kurarama kuratidzwa kwechigarire uye tinoda kukuudza kuti zvinogona kuitwa neimwe nzira.

Asi wakambonyepa here?

-Yave iri basa rangu makore ano kutaura zvinhu nenzira iyo vanhu vanonzwisisa uye kupa manzwiro ehurumende yakagadzikana, yakasimba uye yakadzikama iyo isina kukonzera kunyanya kunetseka kupfuura vanhu vagara vaine. Asi hakusi kunyepa.

— Imwe nzira yavanoshandisa kuti vavhote mafambisirwo akanaka avanenge vaita pazvigaro zvavo muhurumende yemubatanidzwa. Ko ivo vanachipangamazano vePP vangaita chimwe chinhu chakanaka here?

“Handifunge kuti pane akambondinzwa ndichitaura zvakaipa pamusoro pemumwe chipangamazano wePP. Hakusi kuti ndinotaura zvakaipa pamusoro pemutungamiri wenyika, asi kuti ndinongotaura zvakaitika. Asi taiva nehukama hwakanaka nedzimwe nhengo dzehurumende. Vakava nenguva yakaoma zvikuru muhero iyi uye ndinovatenda somunhu oga.

-Asi iwe uchiri kutsamwira Alfonso Fernández Mañueco sezuva rawakazivisa kudana kwesarudzo pawakataura nezvazvo neruvengo nehasha, chimwe chivi chinofa.

—(Inovhiringidza). Handimuvengi nekuti handina hukama naye. Kuti uvenge mumwe munhu, unofanira kunge wakamuda. Zvinondichemedza zvikuru zvakaitika uye ndinobva ndashatirwa kana kusvotwa, zvidaidze zvaunoda, mabatirwo akaitwa vanhu vakaita hugamba uye vave kuita izvi kune kufarira kwavo.

"Unochengetedza kodzero yekuvhota mari yeMañueco, asi zvinoita sekunge wakasunungura Tudanca kubva mu"kurangwa" uku?

“Zvandagara ndichitaura ndezvekuti Tudanca akapikisa paakatura gwaro rekushora mutemo wedu. Handikwanise kugarisana nemunhu anoramba zvematongerwo enyika angu ese. Haisi dambudziko remunhu neTudanca. Uyu ndiwo mutsauko nenyaya yeMañueco. Kana vakachinja ikozvino… Zvakanaka, ani nani anoisa huremu hwakanyanya pachikero.

- Nemamwe mashoko, kana munhu ane mukurumbira akasiya basa semutungamiri wenyika, ungatsigira here PP ichipokana nePSOE kana iine huremu hunodiwa?

—Hongu, nekuti vezvematongerwo enyika vedu vari pedyo. Isu tiri bato rakasununguka rine mazano ekuti zviri nyore kuti tiwane mamwe pane mamwe, kunyangwe chiri chokwadi kuti pane zvinhu zvatisingagoverane nePP. Zvichakadaro, iyo PSOE yakanyatsopikisa zvatiri kutaura uye munhu wese anoziva kuti ndinofunga zvakaipa sei nezve sanchismo. Ichokwadi kuti ndiyo nguva yokutanga yatakaratidza mumushandirapamwe kuti kusatendeseka hakugoni kupiwa mubayiro uye kuti vagari vemo vane mukana wokuzviratidzira, kunyange zvazvo pachava nevanhu vachavhotera Mañueco ndokugamuchira nhema sezvakanaka.

"Asi unofunga zvine musoro uye zvinogoneka here kuti munhu arege basa nekuti wazvida?"

"Ndinogona kuzvifungidzira zvakakwana." Unofunga kuti bato rako richafara zvikuru here kana vakaona kuti wabva pakuva neruzhinji rwakadzikama nebato rakasununguka kusvika pakuva nezvigaro zvakafanana uye kuronga nyonganyonga iyi? Ichi ndicho chimwe chezvinhu zvisina musoro chandati ndamboona PP ichiita, uye handifunge kuti vari kufara zvakanyanya nekufamba kuri kuita zvinhu.

– Chisingandivharidzire ndechekuti munoti vave pedyo nekuva neboka reparamende -5% yemavhoti nezvigaro zvitatu- uye kuti munofunga kuti ndivo vanokwanisa.

“Tiri munzira yekuti tive nevachuchisi vashanu kana kudarika uye tichange tave neshungu dzekupinda muhurumende yeramangwana.

-Chii chingave chasara, bato renzvimbo, maLeonists…?

- Panogona kunge paine huwandu hwemhando dzakasiyana uye mamiriro. Hapana munhu munharaunda ino anokahadzika kuti mhedzisiro yesarudzo ingadai yakave yei dai takaita rondedzero yakafanana nePP.

"Chii ichocho?"

- Huzhinji hwakazara nezvigaro makumi mashanu. Iyo PP's strategy, iyo injodzi, ndeyekukwanisa kusvika pachibvumirano chete neVox, kurasa tariro uye kunyengera kwekugutsa veSpanish kuti kune mukana wehurumende yeruzhinji isina kunyanyisa kana populism. Zviri kuitwa neCasado nechikumbiro ichi haisi kungoshandisa nharaunda iyi nenzira isina kunaka, asi kuuraya tariro yekuti kune imwe nzira ye sanchismo isingapfuuri neVox uye inouraya nyika ino.

Wanga uri pamwero usingafungidzirwe kwemakore mashoma. Iri richave iro basa rekupedzisira kuitwa kune zvematongerwo enyika kana zvinhu zvikasafamba zvakanaka?

-Aihwa. Chinodiwa kunyange nehutano hwangu pandiri kuramba ndichirwira pfungwa dzangu. Mumushandirapamwe wakaoma uye wakaoma uyu ndinofara kudarika kare. Kuita chinhu chakanaka, pasinei nokuti chii chinozoitika, mufaro.

"Uye unonzwa setarisiro yekupedzisira izvozvi yekudzivirira maC kuti asanyangarika?"

-Ciudadanos haizoperi kana kunyangarika. Hapana akambotsika pasi kuti atore nzvimbo iyo yakanaka, yakaipa kana yenguva dzose tiri isu chete. Iyo inzvimbo ine mwero inotenda mukurapwa, iyo isiri mugoronga chero ripi zvaro, asi zvakare inzvimbo yakashata kwazvo nekuti vanokupfura, vanokutuka uye vese vanozvibvumira humbozha kuti vakurove pamanetiweki uye munhau.