Mutevedzeri weGurukota reKune dzimwe nyika wePolish Pawel Jablonski anotaura zvakajeka: "Hapana kutaurirana kunomisa Putin."
Anokumbira nyika dzeEU neNATO kuti dzitsigire Mauto eUkraine, kunyangwe ari padanho remauto anoda kuti nyaya idzi dziitwe "nenzira yakangwara", mukutaura kwakajeka kwekuedza kwakaodzwa mwoyo, ikozvino, kutumira varwi veMig. -29 Mapango muUkraine air force.
Kwemaminetsi makumi matatu anotaura, nekufona kwevhidhiyo uye nechiSpanish chakakwana, aine ABC kubva kuhofisi yake muWarsaw:
- Mutungamiri wePolish Mateusz Morawiecki uye mutungamiri weLaw and Justice Party Jaroslaw Kaczynski vakashanyira Mutungamiri weUkraine Volodymyr Zelensky muKyiv neChipiri. Ndedzipi mhedziso dzawakawana kubva kumusangano?
ndeyekuti isu tinofanirwa kutsigira Ukraine zvakanyanya. Nekubatana kweEuropean Union yese neNATO. Tinofanira kuwedzera tsigiro yedu yekudzivirira. Isu tinofanirwa kuwedzera mikana yeUkraine kudzivirira nharaunda yayo, rusununguko rwayo, rusununguko rwayo. Vari kudzivirira nyika yavo kuRussia, iyo inyika yakakura kwazvo. Vari kuita hugamba uye irubatsiro rwedu. Mukuwedzera, zvirango zvinofanira kuwedzerwa, nokuti zvirango zviri kushanda zvino zvakasimba, hongu, asi hazvisati zvakwana. Zuva rega rega Putin ari kugamuchira mazana emamiriyoni emaeuro kuti awane mari yehondo iyi uye isu tinofanirwa kumutorera mari iyoyo.
- Ndeupi rudzi rwerubatsiro rwemauto runofanira kutumirwa kuUkraine? Chii chaizova chigadzikiso? Paitaurwawo nezvenzvimbo isina nhunzi...
- Parizvino chinhu chinonyanya kukosha ndechekuwedzera kutakura kwese kwezvombo zvekudzivirira zvatiri kugadzira. Inorongawo kutakura ... Muchidimbu, kubatsira mauto eUkraine mukudzivirira nyika yavo. NATO mubatanidzwa wakasimba, tine sarudzo uye zvino tinofanira kusarudza kana tichida kuita nenzira ine hunyanzvi kana kuti kwete, nekuti Russia ichatityisidzira kana tikaita chimwe kana chimwe… Putin haadi chero chikonzero. kurwisa chero imwe nyika. Akazviita muna Kukadzi 24 achirwisa Ukraine nenzira isina kufanira. Kana Putin akakunda hondo iyi, acharwisa dzimwe nyika.
- Poland ichiri kupa Mig-29 varwi kuUkraine air Force kuburikidza neUS NATO? Kana kuti ipfungwa yakaraswa here?
-Tinoda kuzviita nekukurumidza. Uye ita zvimwe zvinhu nekukurumidza. Chandisingadi kukurukura pachena nyaya yemauto iyi nekuti tinofanira kunge tashanda. Zvaisiririsa kuti zvinhu izvi zvaitaurwa paruzhinji mumapepanhau akawanda.
Pawel Jablonski, munguva yekukurukurirana nevhidhiyo kufona - ABC
- Kwaive kutaura kwaJosep Borrell, Mumiriri Mukuru weEU kune Zvekunze uye Chengetedzo Policy, izvo zvakaparadza chirongwa chekutanga?
Handidi kupinda muhurukuro iyoyo. Kazhinji, pakupfekedza nyaya dzechiuto, zvekudzivirira, zvinonyanya kukosha kupfeka pakati pehurumende, pakati peaases, zvakanyanya kupfuura pachena. Uye ndinovimba iyi ndiyo nzira yekumurova iye zvino uye mune ramangwana.
- Iwe unovimba nenhaurirano pakati peRussia neUkraine kuitira kuti hondo ipere nekukurumidza uye isingarebe nekufamba kwenguva?
- Isu tinoziva Russia. Vanotaura zvinhu zvakawanda asi haugone kuvimba navo. Vanotaura zvavanoda kana kuvashandira zvematongerwo enyika. Matauriro avakaita kuti inyika ine runyararo uye kuti hapangavi nechisimba. Vaisada kurwisa munhu. Uye muna February 24 takaona mugumisiro. Mashoko aVladimir Putin anorevei? Kwete. Kuvimba naye hakuna musoro. Chinoda kuitwa kutsigira Ukraine, iyo iri kudzivirira nharaunda yayo asiwo kudzivirira Europe neEurope tsika.
“Europe yese iri munjodzi. Icho chinhu chatinoona uye chatakazivisa mumwedzi ichangopfuura nemakore »
– Takaona kubhomba kweimba yemitambo muMariupol, uko vana nevakadzi vakatizira… Kutiza kwaPutin kuenda mberi here?
- Ini ndinoshaya mazwi ekutsanangura zviri kuitwa naPutin izvozvi. Zviripachena kuti chinangwa chake chekutanga cheunyanzvi chaive chekusvika Kyiv nemamwe maguta nekukurumidza. Chirongwa ichocho hachina kubudirira. Iye zvino vachinja maitiro avo ekuuraya vanhuwo zvavo vakawanda… vakadzi, vana. Sei? Anoda kuti Ukraine irege kuedza kuzvidzivirira. Inotsvaga kuparadza kuda kwevanhu vekuUkraine kuti vazvidzivirire. Kuti vaite izvi vanorwisa nharaunda dzekugara, zvipatara, theatre uko vakadzi nevana vakatizira. Iro hurongwa hweRussia, izano reRussia uye imhosva, imhosva yehondo. Vladimir Putin itsotsi. Anofanira kurangwa nokuda kwemhosva dzehondo idzodzo.
Russia yakabhombawo chigadziko makiromita makumi maviri nemashanu kubva kumuganhu nePoland… Mamiriro akaita sei pamuganhu?
– Pedyo nemuganhu, mamiriro acho akaoma. Kugamuchirwa kwevapoteri, iko zvino, kwatove kwakarongeka. Hakuna mitsetse yehuswa yakakura kudaro. Mangwanani ano chete [nezuro China] tagamuchira vanhu zviuru gumi. Nechekare vapoteri mamiriyoni 10.000 vasvika munyika itsva. Kunewo vokuUkraine vanosvika muRomania, muHungary, muSlovakia nomumuganhu wedu wokumaodzanyemba. Mhiri kwemuganhu tinoona kuti Putin akatarisana nekurwisa Kyiv nemamwe maguta makuru.
- Poland iri munjodzi here? Iwe unofunga kuti kana Putin akapinda muUkraine zvachose, aizoenda kune dzimwe nyika?
- Iyo yese yeEurope iri munjodzi. Icho chinhu chatinoona uye chatakazivisa mumwedzi ichangopfuura nemakore. Yese yeEurope iri kutyisidzirwa. Uku ndiko kurwisana kwakauya kuGeorgia muna 2008. Ipapo Ukraine… zvino ichava nyika dzeBaltic (Lithuania, Latvia neEstonia) uyewo Poland. Putin haazoregi kana tikasavamisa. Chisungo chedu ndechekumumisa izvozvi, kana tine sarudzo, kana takasimba. Icho chisungo chedu kumisa iyi hondo uye kumisa Putin.
- Dziviriro yePoland iri kusimbiswa sei?
– Tiri kushanda nesimba zvikuru. Kuedza kwedu kwakaitwa kusimbisa mauto edu, tichishandawo nevatidyidzani vedu, neNATO. Zvakare neUSA nenyika dzeEurope. Tine mauto akawanda kubva kunyika dzedu padunhu redu uye zvombo zvakawanda zvekudzivirira kuchengetedza nharaunda yedu uye zvakare kuchengetedza muganho weEuropean Union neNATO. Chisungo chedu senhengo dzemasangano aya kuti tikwanise kuchengetedza Europe.
Vapoteri vekuUkraine vakakwanisa kusvika kumuganhu wePoland muMedyka kuti vatore mbatya dzinogona kuvashandira - AFP
- Unotarisirei kubva kune inoshamisa NATO Summit ichaitika China inotevera muBrussels? Uye nezveEuropean Council?
-Musangano weNATO unokurukura nzira yekuwedzera kugona kwekudzivirira kweUkraine. Nezve European Union, chinhu chinonyanya kukosha ikozvino kuwedzera zvirango, kuisa embargo pamafuta ekuRussia, gasi reRussia uye mamwe mahydrocarbons… ivo vanopa mari kuna Putin, sosi inomutendera kuti awane mari yehondo iyi. Kana isu tichida kuchengetedza hupfumi hwedu, isu tinofanirwa kuita zvine hungwaru izvozvi, tosimudza izvo zviito, uye kupedza hondo iyi. Tinofanira kumanikidza Putin kuti amise hondo.
"Mabvazuva vekuUkraine vari kuzvidzivirirawo zvakasimba, vaine chiziviso cheUkraine nekuti inyika yakasiyana zvachose neiyo Russia inoda kuratidza"
- Iwe unofunga kuti Ukraine inofanira kusiya pfungwa yekukwanisa kuve nhengo yeramangwana yeEuropean Union kana NATO kana masangano ese ari maviri panguva imwe chete? Kana kuti unofanira kurega chero pfungwa ine chekuita nazvo?
-Ikodzero yenyika yeUkraine, yevanhu vekuUkraine, kusarudza ramangwana ravo. Kana Ukraine ichida kuve nhengo yeNATO kana European Union… isarudzo yako chete. Haisi sarudzo yePoland, Spain, kana Russia, kana chero ani zvake. Icho chisarudzo cheUkraine. Uye iyo inyaya yakakosha muhukama hwenyika. Isu tiri nyika dzakazvitonga, takaenzana nyika, tine kodzero yekuzvisarudzira ramangwana redu.
-Unofunga kuti mhinduro inogona kukamurwa Ukraine? Kumabvazuva kweRussia uye kumadokero chikamu cheUkraine?
-Iyo yaive rondedzero yenhema yenhema dzeRussia dzaida kuratidza kuti kune nyika mbiri munyika yeUkraine. Yakanga iri zano raPutin. Nekudaro, hondo yatiratidza mavhiki matatu apfuura kuti inhema: maUkraine ari kumabvazuva ari kuzvidzivirirawo zvakasimba, aine chiziviso cheUkraine nekuti inyika yakasiyana zvachose kubva kune izvo Russia inoda kuratidza. Ukraine yakabatana, Ukraine inozvidzivirira kuRussia uye ibasa redu kuitsigira, uye hurumende yeZelensky kukunda iyi hondo iyo Russia yakatsamwisa zvisina kururama.
