Wachiwiri kwa Nduna Yachilendo ku Poland Pawel Jablonski akuyankhula momveka bwino kuti: "Palibe zokambirana zomwe zidzayimitse Putin."
Amapempha mayiko a EU ndi NATO kuti athandizidwe kwambiri ndi Asitikali aku Ukraine, ngakhale kuti pagulu lankhondo akufuna kuti zinthu izi zisamalidwe "mwanzeru", pofotokoza momveka bwino za kuyesa kokhumudwitsa, pakadali pano, kutumiza omenyera nkhondo a Mig. - 29 Poles mu gulu lankhondo laku Ukraine.
Kwa mphindi makumi atatu amalankhula, kudzera pavidiyo komanso m'Chisipanishi changwiro, ndi ABC kuchokera kuofesi yake ku Warsaw:
- Prime Minister waku Poland Mateusz Morawiecki ndi mtsogoleri wachipani cha Law and Justice Jaroslaw Kaczynski adayendera Purezidenti waku Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky ku Kyiv Lachiwiri. Ndi mfundo ziti zomwe mudapeza pa msonkhanowu?
ndikuti tiyenera kuthandiza Ukraine kwambiri. Ndi mgwirizano wa European Union ndi NATO. Tiyenera kuwonjezera chitetezo chathu. Tiyenera kukulitsa mwayi wa Ukraine kuteteza gawo lake, ufulu wake, ufulu wake. Iwo akuteteza dziko lawo ku Russia, lomwe ndi dziko lalikulu kwambiri. Akupanga khama lolimba mtima ndipo ndi thandizo lathu. Kuonjezera apo, zilango ziyenera kuwonjezereka, chifukwa zilango zomwe zikugwira ntchito tsopano ndi zamphamvu, inde, koma sizokwanira. Tsiku lililonse Putin akulandira ma euro mamiliyoni mazana ambiri kuti athandizire nkhondoyi ndipo tiyenera kumuchotsera ndalamazo.
- Ndi chithandizo chanji chankhondo chomwe chiyenera kutumizidwa ku Ukraine? Kodi yankho lingakhale lotani? Panalinso nkhani yoti palibe ntchentche...
- Pakalipano chofunika kwambiri ndikuwonjezera katundu yense wa zida zodzitetezera zomwe tikupanga. Komanso amakonza zoyendera... Mwachidule, kuthandiza asilikali Chiyukireniya poteteza dziko lawo. NATO ndi mgwirizano wamphamvu kwambiri, tili ndi zosankha ndipo tsopano tiyenera kusankha ngati tikufuna kuchita mwanzeru kapena ayi, chifukwa dziko la Russia litiwopseza ngati tichita chimodzi kapena china ... Putin safuna chowiringula chilichonse. kuukira dziko lina lililonse. Anachita izi pa February 24 akuukira Ukraine mopanda chifukwa. Ngati Putin apambana nkhondoyi, adzaukira mayiko ena.
- Kodi Poland ikuperekabe omenyera a Mig-29 ku gulu lankhondo laku Ukraine kudzera ku US NATO? Kapena ndi lingaliro lotayidwa?
-Tikufuna kutero posachedwa. Ndipo chitani zinthu zina posachedwa. Chomwe sindikufuna ndikukambilana pagulu zankhani zankhondo zamtunduwu chifukwa tikuyenera kuchita bwino. Zinali zomvetsa chisoni kuti zinthuzi zimakambidwa pagulu m'manyuzipepala osiyanasiyana.
Pawel Jablonski, mu mphindi yakukambirana ndi kanema - ABC
- Kodi anali ndemanga ya Josep Borrell, Woimira Wamkulu wa EU pa Zachilendo Zakunja ndi Chitetezo, zomwe zinawononga dongosolo loyamba?
Sindikufuna kulowa muzokambirana. Nthawi zambiri, povala nkhani zankhondo, pankhani zodzitchinjiriza, ndikofunikira kwambiri kuvala pakati pa maboma, pakati pa ma alias, kuposa poyera. Ndipo mwachiyembekezo iyi ndi njira yomumenya pakali pano komanso mtsogolo.
- Kodi mumakhulupirira zokambirana pakati pa Russia ndi Ukraine kuti nkhondoyo ithe mwamsanga ndipo sichitalikitsa nthawi?
- Tikudziwa Russia. Amanena zinthu zambiri koma simungawakhulupirire. Amanena zomwe akufuna kapena amawatumikira ndale. Momwe iwo ananenera kuti iwo anali dziko lamtendere ndi kuti sipadzakhala kuwukiridwa. Sanafune kuukira aliyense. Ndipo pa February 24 tinawona zotsatira zake. Kodi mawu a Vladimir Putin amatanthauza chiyani? Ayi. Kumukhulupirira n’kusaganiza bwino. Zomwe ziyenera kuchitika ndikuthandizira Ukraine, yomwe ikuteteza gawo lake komanso kuteteza Ulaya ndi Ulaya.
“Ku Europe konse kuli pachiwopsezo. Ndi zomwe tikuwona komanso zomwe talengeza m'miyezi ndi zaka zaposachedwa »
– Taona kuphulitsa mabomba kwa zisudzo ku Mariupol, kumene ana ndi akazi anathawira… Kodi Putin akuthawira kutsogolo?
- Ndilibe mawu ofotokozera zomwe Putin akuchita pakali pano. Zikuwonekeratu kuti cholinga chake choyamba chinali choti akafike ku Kyiv ndi mizinda ina mwachangu. Dongosolo limenelo silinapambane. Tsopano asintha njira yawo yopha anthu wamba ochulukirachulukira… amayi, ana. Chifukwa chiyani? Akufuna Ukraine kusiya zoyesayesa zake zodziteteza. Ikufuna kuwononga chifuniro cha anthu a ku Ukraine kuti adziteteze. Kuti achite izi amaukira malo okhala, zipatala, malo ochitira masewero omwe amayi ndi ana adathawirako. Ndi dongosolo la Russia, ndi njira ya Russia ndipo ndi mlandu, mlandu wankhondo. Vladimir Putin ndi chigawenga. Ayenera kulangidwa chifukwa cha milandu yankhondo imeneyo.
- Russia idaphulitsanso bomba pamtunda wa makilomita 25 kuchokera kumalire ndi Poland… Kodi zinthu zili bwanji kumalire?
- Pafupi ndi malire, zinthu ndizovuta. Kulandiridwa kwa othawa kwawo, pakali pano, kwakonzedwa kale. Palibe mizere ya udzu yayikulu chotere. Pokhapokha m'mawa uno [lachinayi Lachinayi] talandira anthu 10.000. Othawa kwawo 1,9 miliyoni afika kale m'dziko latsopano. Palinso anthu a ku Ukraine amene amafika ku Romania, ku Hungary, ku Slovakia kudutsa malire athu akumwera. Kudutsa malire tikuwona kuti Putin akuyang'ana kwambiri kuukira Kyiv ndi mizinda ina yayikulu.
- Kodi Poland ili pachiwopsezo? Kodi mukuganiza kuti ngati Putin atalanda dziko lonse la Ukraine, angapite kumayiko ena?
- Europe yonse ili pachiwopsezo. Ndi chinthu chomwe tikuwona komanso chomwe talengeza m'miyezi ndi zaka zaposachedwa. Europe yonse ikuwopsezedwa. Izi ndi mkangano umene unabwera ku Georgia mu 2008. Ndiye Ukraine… ndiye izo zidzakhala mayiko Baltic (Lithuania, Latvia ndi Estonia) ndiyeno Poland. Putin sadzasiya ngati sitiwaletsa. Udindo wathu ndi kumuletsa pakali pano, tikakhala ndi zosankha, tikakhala amphamvu. Ndi udindo wathu kuyimitsa nkhondoyi ndikuletsa Putin.
- Kodi chitetezo cha Poland chikulimbikitsidwa bwanji?
- Tikugwira ntchito molimbika kwambiri. Khama lathu lapangidwa kulimbikitsa gulu lathu lankhondo, komanso kugwira ntchito ndi ogwirizana athu, ndi NATO. Komanso ndi USA ndi mayiko aku Europe. Tili ndi asitikali ambiri ochokera kumayiko athu mdera lathu komanso zida zodzitchinjiriza kuti titeteze gawo lathu komanso kuteteza malire a European Union ndi NATO. Ndi udindo wathu monga mamembala a mabungwewa kuti tithe kuteteza Europe.
Othawa kwawo ku Ukraine adatha kufika kumalire a Poland ku Medyka kuti akatenge zovala zomwe zingawathandize - AFP
- Mukuyembekezera chiyani kuchokera ku Msonkhano wodabwitsa wa NATO womwe udzachitike Lachinayi lotsatira ku Brussels? Ndipo European Council?
- Msonkhano wa NATO ukukambirana momwe mungawonjezere chitetezo cha Ukraine. Ponena za European Union, chinthu chofunikira kwambiri tsopano ndikuwonjezera zilango, kuletsa mafuta aku Russia, gasi waku Russia ndi ma hydrocarbons ena… Ngati tikufuna kupulumutsa chuma chathu, tiyenera kuchitapo kanthu mwachangu, kuchitapo kanthu, ndikuthetsa nkhondoyi. Tiyenera kukakamiza Putin kuti asiye nkhondo.
"Akum'mawa kwa Ukraine akudzitchinjiriza mwamphamvu, ndi dziko la Ukraine chifukwa ndi dziko losiyana kwambiri ndi zomwe Russia ikufuna kuwonetsa"
- Kodi mukuganiza kuti Ukraine iyenera kusiya lingaliro lokhala membala wamtsogolo wa European Union kapena NATO kapena mabungwe onse nthawi imodzi? Kapena muyenera kusiya lingaliro lililonse lokhudzana ndi izo?
-Ndi ufulu wa dziko la Ukraine, la anthu aku Ukraine, kusankha tsogolo lawo. Ngati Ukraine ikufuna kukhala membala wa NATO kapena European Union… ndi chisankho chanu chokha. Sichigamulo cha Poland, Spain, kapena Russia, kapena wina aliyense. Ndi chisankho cha Ukraine. Ndipo iyi ndi nkhani yofunika kwambiri mu ubale wapadziko lonse lapansi. Ndife maiko odziyimira pawokha, ndife maiko ofanana, tili ndi ufulu wosankha tokha tsogolo lathu.
-Kodi mukuganiza kuti yankho akhoza kugawidwa Ukraine? Kum'mawa kwa Russia ndi kumadzulo kwa Ukraine?
- Imeneyi inali nkhani yabodza yazabodza zaku Russia zomwe zimafuna kuti ziwoneke ngati pali mayiko awiri m'dziko la Ukraine. Inali njira ya Putin. Komabe, nkhondoyi yatiwonetsa masabata atatu apitawa kuti izi ndi zabodza: anthu aku Ukraine kum'mawa akudzitchinjiriza mwamphamvu, ndi chidziwitso cha dziko la Ukraine chifukwa ndi dziko losiyana kwambiri ndi zomwe Russia ikufuna kuwonetsa. Ukraine ndi yogwirizana, Ukraine imadziteteza ku Russia ndipo ndi udindo wathu kuthandizira, ndi boma la Zelensky kuti ligonjetse nkhondoyi yomwe Russia yayambitsa mopanda chilungamo.
