Ua ʻōlelo maopopo ka Hope Kuhina ʻē aʻe ʻo Pawel Jablonski: "ʻAʻohe kūkākūkā e hoʻōki iā Putin."
Nīnau ʻo ia i ka EU a me nā ʻāina NATO no ke kākoʻo nui ʻana i ka pūʻali koa Ukrainian, ʻoiai ʻo ia ma ka pae koa makemake ʻo ia e mālama ʻia kēia mau mea "ma ke ʻano noʻonoʻo", ma ke ʻano maopopo loa i ka hoʻāʻo huhū, i kēia manawa, e hoʻouna i nā mea kaua Mig. -29 Pole ma ka mokuahi Ukrainian.
No kanakolu mau minuke, kamaʻilio ʻo ia, ma ke kelepona wikiō a me ka ʻōlelo Paniolo maikaʻi loa, me ABC mai kāna keʻena ma Warsaw:
- Ua kipa aku ke Kuhina Nui Polani ʻo Mateusz Morawiecki a me ke alakaʻi o ka Law and Justice Party Jaroslaw Kaczynski i ka Pelekikena Ukrainian Volodymyr Zelensky ma Kyiv i ka Poalua. He aha nā hopena āu i unuhi ai mai ka hālāwai?
ʻo ia ke kākoʻo nui aku iā Ukraine. Me ka lokahi o ka European Union a me NATO. Pono mākou e hoʻonui i kā mākou kākoʻo pale. Pono mākou e hoʻonui i nā hiki o Ukraine e pale i kona'āina, kona kūʻokoʻa, kona kūʻokoʻa. Ke pale nei lākou i ko lākou ʻāina kūʻē iā Rūsia, ʻo ia ka ʻāina nui loa. Ke hana nei lākou i kahi hoʻoikaika koa a ʻo kā mākou kōkua ia. Eia kekahi, pono e hoʻonui ʻia ka hoʻopaʻi ʻana, no ka mea, ua ikaika nā hoʻopaʻi e paʻa nei i kēia manawa, ʻae, ʻaʻole lawa. I kēlā me kēia lā e loaʻa ana ʻo Putin i nā haneli miliona miliona no ke kālā i kēia kaua a pono mākou e lawe i kēlā kālā mai ona aku.
- He aha ke ʻano o ke kōkua koa e hoʻouna ʻia i Ukraine? He aha ka hopena? Ua kamaʻilio pū ʻia no ka wahi lele ʻole ...
- I kēia manawa ʻo ka mea nui loa ka hoʻonui ʻana i nā moku āpau o nā mea kaua pale a mākou e hana nei. Hoʻonohonoho pūʻo ia i ka halihali ... I ka pōkole, kōkua i ka pūʻali koa Ukrainian i ka paleʻana i ko lākou'āina. He hui kuikahi ikaika loa ʻo NATO, loaʻa iā mākou nā koho a i kēia manawa pono mākou e hoʻoholo inā makemake mākou e hana i ke ala ʻoi loa a ʻaʻole paha, no ka mea, e hoʻoweliweli mai ana ʻo Rūsia iā mākou inā mākou e hana i kekahi a i ʻole ... ʻAʻole pono ʻo Putin i kahi kumu. e hoouka i kekahi aina e. Ua hana ʻo ia i ka lā 24 Pepeluali i ka hoʻouka ʻana iā Ukraine ma ke ʻano kūpono ʻole. Inā lanakila ʻo Putin i kēia kaua, e hoʻouka ʻo ia i nā ʻāina ʻē aʻe.
- Ke hāʻawi mau nei ʻo Polani i nā mea kaua Mig-29 i ka mokulele mokulele Ukrainian ma o ka US NATO? A i ʻole he manaʻo i hoʻolei ʻia?
-Makemake mākou e hana koke. A e hana koke i nā mea ʻē aʻe. ʻO kaʻu mea makemake ʻole, ʻo ia ke kūkākūkā ākea i kēia ʻano hihia koa no ka mea pono mākou e hana pono. He mea pōʻino ke kamaʻilio ʻia ʻana o kēia mau mea ma ka lehulehu ma kekahi mau hoʻolaha.
ʻO Pawel Jablonski, i kahi manawa kamaʻilio ma ke kelepona wikiō - ABC
- ʻO ka ʻōlelo a Josep Borrell, ka Lunamakaʻāinana kiʻekiʻe o ka EU no nā ʻāina ʻē a me nā kulekele palekana, i hōʻino i ka hoʻolālā mua?
ʻAʻole au makemake e komo i kēlā kūkākūkā. Ma keʻano laulā, i ka wā e ʻaʻahu ai i nā mea kaua, no nā mea pale, ʻoi aku ka nui o ka lole ma waena o nā aupuni, ma waena o nā inoa inoa, ʻoi aku ka nui ma mua o ka lehulehu. A manaʻolana ʻo ia ke ala e lanakila ai iā ia i kēia manawa a i ka wā e hiki mai ana.
- Ke hilinaʻi nei anei ʻoe i nā kūkākūkā ma waena o Rūsia a me Ukraine e hoʻopau koke ke kaua a ʻaʻole e hoʻolōʻihi i ka manawa?
- Uaʻike mākou iā Rusia. 'Ōlelo lākou i nā mea he nui akā ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke hilinaʻi iā lākou. 'Ōlelo lākou i kā lākou makemake a lawelawe paha iā lākou i ka politika. Pehea lākou i ʻōlelo ai he ʻāina maluhia lākou a ʻaʻohe hoʻouka kaua. ʻAʻole lākou makemake e hoʻouka i kekahi. A ma ka lā 24 o Pepeluali ua ʻike mākou i ka hopena. He aha ke ʻano o nā ʻōlelo a Vladimir Putin? ʻAʻole. ʻAʻole kūpono ka hilinaʻi iā ia. ʻO ka mea e pono e hana ʻia ʻo ke kākoʻo ʻana iā Ukraine, ka mea e pale ana i kona ʻāina akā pale pū kekahi i nā waiwai ʻEulopa a me ʻEulopa.
"Aia ʻo ʻEulopa a pau i ka pilikia. He mea ia a mākou i ʻike ai a ua hoʻolaha mākou i nā mahina a me nā makahiki i hala iho nei »
– Ua ʻike mākou i ka pahū ʻana o ka hale kiʻiʻoniʻoni ma Mariupol, kahi i puʻuhonua ai nā keiki a me nā wahine… ʻO ka lele ʻana o Putin i mua?
- Ua nele au i nā huaʻōlelo e wehewehe i ka mea a Putin e hana nei i kēia manawa. ʻIke ʻia ʻo kāna pahuhopu mua loa e hiki koke iā Kyiv a me nā kūlanakauhale ʻē aʻe. ʻAʻole i holomua kēlā papahana. I kēia manawa ua hoʻololi lākou i kā lākou ʻano hana e pepehi i nā makaʻāinana hou aʻe… nā wahine, nā keiki. No ke aha mai? Makemake ʻo ia e haʻalele ʻo Ukraine i kāna mau hana e pale aku iā ia iho. Ke ʻimi nei e hoʻopau i ka makemake o ka poʻe Ukrainian e pale iā lākou iho. No ka hana ʻana i kēia, hoʻouka lākou i nā wahi noho, nā halemai, ka hale kiʻiʻoniʻoni kahi i puʻu ai nā wahine a me nā keiki. He hoʻolālā Lūkini ia, ʻo ia ka hana a Rūsia a he hewa ia, he hewa kaua. He lawehala ʻo Vladimir Putin. Pono ʻo ia e hoʻopaʻi ʻia no kēlā mau hewa kaua.
– Ua pana pū ʻo Rūsia i kahi kahua 25 mau kilomita mai ka palena me Polani… Pehea ke kūlana ma ka palena?
- Ma kahi kokoke i ka palena, paʻakikī ke kūlana. ʻO ka hoʻokipa ʻana o ka poʻe mahuka, i kēia manawa, ua hoʻonohonoho ʻia. ʻAʻohe laina mauʻu e like me ka nui. I kēia kakahiaka wale nō [no ka Pōʻalima i nehinei] ua loaʻa iā mākou he 10.000 poʻe. Ua hōʻea ʻo 1,9 miliona mau mea mahuka i kahi ʻāina hou. Aia kekahi poʻe Ukrainians i hōʻea i Romania, i Hungary, i Slovakia ma o ko mākou palena hema. Ma kēlā ʻaoʻao o ka palena ʻike mākou e hoʻokau nei ʻo Putin i ka hoʻouka ʻana iā Kyiv a me nā kūlanakauhale nui ʻē aʻe.
- Ua pilikia ʻo Polani? Manaʻo paha ʻoe inā e hoʻouka ʻo Putin iā Ukraine i kona holoʻokoʻa, e hele ʻo ia no nā ʻāina ʻē aʻe?
– Ua pilikia ko ʻEulopa holoʻokoʻa. He mea ia a mākou e ʻike ai a ua hoʻolaha mākou i nā mahina a me nā makahiki i hala iho nei. Ua hooweliweli ia o Europa a pau. He paio kēia i hiki mai i Georgia i ka makahiki 2008. A laila ʻo Ukraine… a laila ʻo nā ʻāina Baltic (Lithuania, Latvia a me Estonia) a laila ʻo Polani pū kekahi. ʻAʻole e pau ʻo Putin inā ʻaʻole mākou e hoʻōki iā lākou. ʻO kā mākou kuleana e hoʻōki iā ia i kēia manawa, ke loaʻa iā mākou nā koho, ke ikaika mākou. ʻO kā mākou kuleana e ho'ōki i kēia kaua a hoʻopau iā Putin.
- Pehea e hoʻoikaika ʻia ai ka pale o Polani?
- Ke hana ikaika nei mākou. Ua hana ʻia kā mākou mau hana e hoʻoikaika i ko mākou pūʻali koa, e hana pū ana me ko mākou mau hoa pili, me NATO. Eia kekahi me ʻAmelika a me ʻEulopa. Loaʻa iā mākou nā koa hou mai ko mākou mau ʻāina ma ko mākou ʻāina a me nā mea kaua pale e pale aku i ko mākou ʻāina a me ka pale ʻana i ka palena o ka European Union a me NATO. ʻO kā mākou kuleana ma ke ʻano he lālā o kēia mau hui e hiki ke pale aku iā ʻEulopa.
Ua hiki i nā mea mahuka Ukrainian ke hōʻea i ka palena Polani ma Medyka e hōʻiliʻili i nā lole e hiki ke lawelawe iā lākou - AFP
- He aha kāu e manaʻo ai mai ka Summit NATO kupaianaha e hana ʻia i ka Pōʻalima aʻe ma Brussels? A ʻo ka ʻaha kūkā o ʻEulopa?
- Kūkākūkā ʻo NATO summit pehea e hoʻonui ai i ka mana pale o Ukraine. E pili ana i ka European Union, ʻo ka mea nui loa i kēia manawa ʻo ka hoʻonui ʻana i nā hoʻopaʻi, hoʻokau i kahi hoʻopaʻapaʻa ma luna o ka aila Lūkia, ke kinoea Lūkia a me nā hydrocarbons ʻē aʻe ... he kumu kālā lākou no Putin, kahi kumu e hiki ai iā ia ke kālā i kēia kaua. Inā makemake mākou e mālama i kā mākou ʻoihana, pono mākou e hana i kēia manawa, e piʻi i kēlā mau hana, a hoʻopau i kēia kaua. Pono mākou e koi iā Putin e ho'ōki i ke kaua.
"Ke pale ikaika nei ka Hikina Ukrainians iā lākou iho, me kahi ʻano lāhui Ukrainian no ka mea he ʻāina ʻokoʻa loa ia mai ka mea a Rūsia e makemake ai e hōʻike"
- Manaʻo paha ʻoe e haʻalele ʻo Ukraine i ka manaʻo e hiki ke lilo i lālā o ka European Union a i ʻole NATO a i ʻole nā hui ʻelua i ka manawa like? A i ʻole e haʻalele paha ʻoe i kekahi manaʻo e pili ana iā ia?
-He kuleana ia o ka moku'āina Ukrainian, o ka poʻe Ukrainian, e hoʻoholo i ko lākou wā e hiki mai ana. Inā makemake ʻo Ukraine e lilo i lālā o NATO a i ʻole ka European Union… ʻo kāu hoʻoholo wale nō ia. ʻAʻole ia he hoʻoholo na Polani, Sepania, a me Rusia, a i ʻole kekahi. ʻO ka hoʻoholo o Ukraine. A ʻo ia ka hihia maʻamau i ka pilina honua. He mau ʻāina kūʻokoʻa mākou, he mau ʻāina like mākou, he kuleana ko mākou e hoʻoholo i ko mākou wā e hiki mai ana.
-Ke manaʻo nei ʻoe hiki ke hoʻokaʻawale ʻia kahi hopena iā Ukraine? ʻO ka ʻaoʻao hikina no Rusia a me ka ʻaoʻao komohana no Ukraine?
- He moʻolelo wahaheʻe loa ia o ka hoʻolaha Lūkini e makemake ana e hōʻike i ʻelua mau lāhui ma ka ʻāina ʻo Ukrainian. ʻO ia ka hoʻolālā a Putin. Eia naʻe, ua hōʻike mai ke kaua iā mākou i kēia mau pule ʻekolu i hala aku nei he wahaheʻe kēia: ʻo nā Ukrainians ma ka hikina ke pale ikaika nei lākou iā lākou iho, me kahi ʻano lāhui Ukrainian no ka mea he ʻāina ʻokoʻa loa ia mai ka mea a Rūsia e makemake ai e hōʻike. Ua hui pū ʻo Ukraine, ua pale ʻo Ukraine iā ia iho e kūʻē iā Rūsia a ʻo kā mākou kuleana ke kākoʻo iā ia, a ʻo ke aupuni Zelensky e lanakila i kēia kaua a Rūsia i hoʻonāukiuki hewa ʻole ai.
